Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. And maybe (and apologise for the cross fandom mention {HP}) Strange is only worthy of possessing one of the infinity stones and not mess up everything - but again, new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. A subreddit dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. With T'Challa and Shuri among those lost to Thanos' snap, there may be no other surviving individuals from Earth capable of deciphering and repurposing the advanced technology, making the trade-off for Stark's life even more necessary. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. None of the other allies can die. Given that number, it's likely he saw many large events that go beyond just the Snap. And a time loop isn't quite an immovable object. Next: Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. WebDr. With the Avengers locking Thanos in place and almost taking the Gauntlet, it could be assumed that they would've beaten him and taken all the Infinity Stones back. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is now playing in theaters worldwide. The gauntlet works there. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. Sam Stone is a 10th level pop culture guru living just outside of Washington, DC who knows an unreasonable amount about The Beatles. Warning! People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. WebThor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. Display of strength is not characteristic of him. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Dormammu isn't just new to the concept of time, he doesn't understand the sorcery Strange is employing (who didn't know it was an Infinity Stone). Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. And of course, Doctor Strange is not entirely helpless even without the time stone, and capable of putting up a decent fight with his verstility to protect the stone, so it might not be so easy for Thanos to "just take it" and end the loop himself even if he could perform the undo spell. Wait, why the heck would Doctor Strange willingly give Thanos the stone? RELATED: Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger. KEEP READING: Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain. Perhaps there's a way to break Thanos' contract with the Stone. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. Press J to jump to the feed. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. Marvel Reveals How Doctor Strange Could Have Beat Thanos With Time, The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat, Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater, Star Trek's New Spock Upgrade Totally Changes His Vulcan Biology, Wolverine Cosplay Proves His Comic Costume Is Terrifying in Live-Action, Calvin And Hobbes: 10 Facts You Never Knew About Bill Watterson's Comic Strip. He was putting all his focus into stopping Kaecilius and then reversing time. One theory I've seen and agree with is that once Thanos had the Soul Stone he was effectively unstoppable as it became sort of like his "guardian angel." Thanos on the other hand is the opposite. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. Would the outcome have been any different if Strange, Iron Man and Spidey joined up with the rest of the Avengers in Wakanda during the final fight? Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. What if Dr Strange kept looping time with Thanos?Just keep bargaining with Thanos until he gives up like with Dormamu.That would be quite the sight. As a beingof our dimension, Thanos may not be quite as susceptible to a similar trick, especially given how driven he's presented as being. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Brandon Zachary is a Senior Writer with Comic Book Resources and has written for CBR since 2018. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. The fourth Avengers film takes its title from one of the final lines in Infinity War, as Strange reassures Stark that they've moved into the "endgame" following Thanos departing forEarth to obtain the final Infinity Stone. Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. Stones are destroyed. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. He did this for who knows how long until everything worked out exactly how he planned. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. But it's clear that while other options might have been available in certain circumstances, Strange responded the best he could to the threat of Thanos in the MCU timeline. This, however, would be extremely graphic and would no doubt clash with the family-friendly image Disney cultivates, even in a literal fight for all existence. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. If the Avengers haddefeated Thanos on Titan, then the events in Eternalsmight've played out very differently. Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. or does he go into a "void" so to speak only to re-emerge later when the hulk snaps everyone back? Like in the MCU, the ultimate resolution came down to a plan by Doctor Strange -- albeit one that had far worse consequences. But how would he have failed? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. WebSo, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his I never understood why he didnt open a portal on his left arm while they had him unconscious and then just close it off removing the arm and gauntlet. Thanos will do what he is supposed to do every time and Dr. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin After being somewhat corrupted by the use of the Darkhold, this variant of Strange discovered that his actions had actually set an Incursion in motion, resulting in one reality crashing into another, killing untold trillions in a flash. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. Running out of options on their world, this variant of Strange elected to use the corrupting evil tome, the Darkhold. After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. Knowing this, Doctor Strange starts to help the others execute a plan that almost takes Thanos out. He didn't show up to the first fight anyways, don't know if he would be there for this newer hypothetical fight. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. A largely peaceful reality protected by the Illuminati instead of the Avengers, Doctor Strange is introduced to the group after their own version of Infinity War and Endgame. RELATED: Avengers: Endgame Had A Better Thor Than Chris Hemsworth For One Deadly Reason. 13 Captain America Cap was able to hold back a nearly unstoppable Thanos with just his bare hands, an impressive physical feat. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Being trapped for millennia would certainly have an impact, but as presented Thanos is a true unstoppable force. Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. Dr Strange did attempt to take him to the mirror dimension. As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. ), -No Ant man still? If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. Or thanos would have been defeated but then our heroes would have died in the process to do it and thus earth is once again defenesless. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. ", I mean the tva just made the timestone look weak as hell even though it is easily the strongest stone all other are nothing compared to it not even the soul the stone is as strong as it. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Web#Thanos #DoctorStrange #InfinityWar"We're in the Endgame now." Related: Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame. When Strange was looking into the future, did he see the 5 year gap or was it like a blank void to him, and then being re-awakened again when the Hulk snaps everyone back? grave and saved an incalculable amount of lives. Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. The mostobvious comes from those 14 million futures Doctor Strange saw; it's entirely possible thathe did attempt to use the Time Stone in one or more of them, only for it to not succeed in ultimately stopping Thanos. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. It has always been evident that Doctor Strange is playing a long game at the end of Infinity War, despite its cataclysmicshort term consequences. 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