Is it about the clothing? How is the community both within Ashtanga and th yoga community outside of Ashtanga receiving this? And I have to say, Im deeply grateful to you for your work because its helped me sort through how to engage with that. And so, yeah. And thats a really good thing. You may unsubscribe at any time. I just want to totally surrender to a person that fixes all my problems in return. In 1993, she was one of . And Greg Nardi from Orlando or Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Well the last part of my book is written as a workbook for the yoga teacher training industry. There were some people who were suffering from chronic pain or from repetitive stress injuries. Like I bring up the metaphor in the book that if you broke a persons leg and there they were on the ground, you wouldnt blame them for not running away from you as you came in to damage them further. The Debates in Post-Development and Degrowth Journal, published by Tvergastein, is an academic journal dealing with debates and works focused on advancing postdevelopment & degrowth thought. Right. Like, Karen Rain and Jubilee Cook published this amazing I hope this goes into the show notes this amazing essay in Yoga International that the title is something like What do survivors of sexual abuse in Yoga communities need? And its like a white paper that basically lays it out and says, Look, here we are, were sexual assault survivors of a 20th century yoga master. I know that the group will have some challenges with diversity with inclusion and also. Like he was, he was a bad man. I realized then that I was a member of a cult. View Details. And then that second layer of isolation leads to a kind of internal isolation from your own moral sense, where its like you had values that helped you navigate the world. And the format was quite broad. And I just kind of got into following what you had to say about it and it really seemed like you had some trenchant analysis that was deeply missing in the broader conversation. Is it about the fact that your voice froze when you wanted to say No? I mean in the yoga landscape at large, at least in my experience, Ashtanga, has held this kind of vaunted position as the legit, hardcore, no nonsense, real authentic practice. In a more contemporary story, what were seeing with Manouso Manos right now. There were so many instances where she would spend 15 minutes explaining something in class and then turn around and say "oh no I messed that up" and start all over. Does it raise my profile? Karen Haberman was born circa 1958. . Its hard to know. Karen Rain (antes Karen Haberman) cuenta su experiencia como vctima de abuso sexual por parte de Pattabhi Jois, creador del ashtanga yoga. 0 Ditonton. Love scar [ Flower Rain] EP.3 #Jerry Yan, Karen Mok. If you dont take responsibility for your body, you will end up in a wheelchair! There was somehow an implied knowledge of that but nobody spoke out. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Come On, Rain!, Karen Hesse, 9780590331258 at the best online prices at eBay! All of that intentionality, all of that speculation on peoples internal states, what it usually does is it overshadows the fact that a crime has been committed and we can obviously set up ways of preventing it from happening again. Marker Address Rent ? Im getting drowned out, I think, I dont know if you can hear, Im getting drowned out by leafblowers, lawnmowers, unfortunately. Work Experience. What did you actually learn? Theres eight best practices for avoiding cultic dynamics. And just to be really explicit about it: you document this in your book, but what were the adjustments that were abusive? And then youre isolated also from people within the group because there are certain things that are taboo to talk about. Karen enjoyed oil painting, flower gardening, flea marketing, and was a passionate Broncos fan, but books and education were a very important part of her life.<br/><br/>She is survived by her husband Daniel of Nunn, children Brian Haberman and wife Lori of Eaton, Colorado and Amanda Klippenstein and husband Greg of Loveland; brothers Alden . I think an apology should be issued by the Jois family for sexual assault and violating adjustments. People asked for like a decade. I get labeled as being judgmental. If youve been to a Vinyasa class, you are probably benefiting from Joiss legacy if youve been in a class where rhythmic breathing has been timed with movement in some sort of coordinated way thats all coming from Jois. Like hes doing an amazing amount of public vulnerable, accountability work. But in 2012, there was a big hagiography published of Joiss life featuring interviews with 40 students, and everybody talked about how wonderful he was and what a grandfather and father figure he was, and a spiritual teacher and all of that. And also Id say that its Joiss senior students coming out of his tutelage from the late Sixties, but then especially into the 80s that really give modern yoga its aesthetic in terms of its incredible athleticism, its beautiful, but sometimes scary contortionism. But what we have is something that pretends to have a stronger linkage to the medieval history of Hatha Yoga than it actually does. Youd have to make some personal choices around whether youre using that privilege, the fees that youre getting from the training to push back against that idealization. The problem that I dont think Jordan Peterson or any of his kind of like alt right bros want to really face is that you cannot be responsible for having been deceived. But theres always something mysterious about the leader or the guru which is probably not a good word for these people that allows their behaviors to be endlessly bandied about as though, Well, we cant really know what he was doing. By that point, I'm talking to Karen Rain for two years. If you are deceived about why you are in a place, about what is going to offer you, then youve really already had your agency taken away. The year when you left, 1998, I wasnt there. By that point, Im talking to Karen Rain for two years. What would you like to see, see moving forward? And if they were watching other people being assaulted, what kind of secrets are their bodys holding and as I said in the beginning, these are some of the reasons why I was scared to go into this material because its really deep. Its not like its not going to happen. Love scar [ Flower Rain] EP.1a #Jerry Yan, Karen Mok. And you know, she laid out this five point, this is how my participation in this organization is complicit with this abuse history and here are the five things that Im going to do now in my classes to make sure that I dont carry any of those impacts on. There has been a couple of other statements like that, but hers is a real standout. At this point, after having read in the wake of MeToo so many accounts of sexual abuse by women conducted by men, I feel an almost primal shame of being male. Great questions. But also were working on our private stuff. You can download the mp3 here. Yeah. And you could meditate your way into believing that there was perhaps, but most people are not actually having that experience and we shouldnt be telling them that they should. Or the opposite, which I hear a lot too is Okay, well if these people, like with Karen Rain going back again and again and getting continually assaulted: Whats going on in her psychology or someones psychology like that, that keeps them there? It summarizes the analysis of the Jois event and the cult literature that I use. He can go on and teach whatever he wants. (Karen Haberman) 50s Huntington, MA Monitor. Includes Address(4) Phone(1) I would like people to just reflect on the fact that you have no idea who Jim Jones was. I mean, every group makes proprietary and sort of like advocacy claims, self-advocacy claims. Your email address will not be published. production of Cabaret as part of our 2016-2017 KeyBank Broadway at the . Facebook gives people the power. Matthew forwarded me the interview last night and I read the first half then but couldnt continue because I found it too distressing. Most recently youve written a book about problematic group dynamics in the yoga world and its called Practice and All is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics and Healing in Yoga, and Beyond. Now thats new. David D Rain, Dianne D Rain, and two other persons spent some time in this place. Theres also 16 women who said He assaulted me, and this is how he did it. One is enough. According to her family tree, she married Jimmy D. Golson on July 6, 1987 in Texas . Again, I am really sorry that all of this happened and that it damaged you and other women so much. And you know, the relationship between the teacher and the student is sacred. Thats a hard one, right? Somehow, I thought the guru knows better and knows my body better than I (where did I get that idea from?) Or kind of like a trickle down effect into the next generation with regard to how we regard the body and effort and pain in general. And I believe that if, if in some cases, if those portraits on those altars are looked at from just the right angle, the person might go, Oh my God, actually hes not who I thought I was, who he was after all. We cant really interpret You bring up the video evidence. Talk about whats going on in Yoga land, uh, whats problematic about it and what might be some ways that things can be remedied. I want to thank you for coming out with your story. 2 Ditonton. Again, thanks for being an ally! So its a young group, I think about five, and one of them isnt a teacher, I think her name is Emma. I should have trusted in my intuition and pursued that until it would blow up in some form or another. I totally agree with you, Karen, that sexual abuse is not about sex. Well, they mightve been traditional in the sense that thats what Krishnamacharya did to him. He was able to publish their testimonies. He would come behind women and digitally rape them by actually pressing his fingers through their tights and into their genitals. Required fields are marked *. Theyre coordinating with a few other second generation of Ashtanga teachers. All Rights Reserved. Major dark underbelly. Although its not like the reactions that theyve had to my more informal blog work over the years, which a lot of people have just been able to dismiss or to say its agenda driven or something like that or that, You just hate our community, or something. Karen Rain, formerly Haberman, was one of six students in a very early-days video of Pattabhi Jois directing them through the Primary series, that I had watched repeatedly on mute. Thats, thats mixed. And the second chapter was to be an analysis of interview data coming from the Ashtanga world. Braver than I was. But I think that the basic ideas around what pain means, what injury means, what pushing yourself means, what being pushed by a teacher means: those have all remained intact in places. And I also thought that it would rock the foundations of the broader yoga world because Jois is incredibly influential. So Pattabhi Jois is the innovator of a system that he named as Ashtanga Yoga, but its unclear when that name came into usage because it seems that he was calling his classes that he gave to the businessmen of Mysore up until the end of the Sixties, just Yoga. Thank you, Josh. Recently, Karen and LaRhonda Steele have founded the duo "The Spirit of Freedom" which showcases the songs of the Civil Rights Movement and their relevance to then and now. Make a life-giving gesture Or about Bikram Choudhury, although less so, more and more people would see him clearly for who he is. It happens to mediocrely educated people. I never really pursued Ashtanga yoga myself. This is kind of an odd sort of endorsement to you, but, right at this point Id say youre the main reason I go onto Facebook. Thanks for your response, Katchie Ananda. I mean, for me its positive because there isnt that much, worth following on Facebook. But when I first got into yoga, just to put a context on this, when I first got into yoga and started hanging around and studios that had an Ashtanga Yoga program, I did hear these whispers around certain kinds of adjustments and that the euphemism that was given for this kind of very intimate genital touch was called a mulabandha check. I didnt initially. The fellowship was funded by the FSMPLink opens in a new window (Fondation Sciences Mathmatiques de Paris). You are yourself a survivor of two cults, and I know that part of this work in this book has been a bit of a healing journey for you. Copyright Chintamani 2015-2021. Like the Iyengar fold will say that This is authentic. The further problem with assigning responsibility, regardless of what that even means like what does that mean? But part of the story that started building up around him was that this is what he was doing was that he wasnt digitally raping that woman, he was helping her find her mulabandha, which is a term for an internal muscular, but also esoteric, sensation that is tied to the rise of Kundalini or esoteric energy. Well this is interesting. I follow you also in the common threads and youve rolled up your sleeves, the knuckles are out and its bit of a knife fight in there, but youre fighting the good fight. Its harrowing to read. And it worked. via Matthew Remski On November 11th, Karen Rain, formerly known as Karen Haberman, posted the following #metoo disclosure about her studies with Pattabhi Jois, creator of "Ashtanga Yoga": For eight years, Rain was in the top echelon of Jois' most accomplished students. Right, and thats part of what alienates you from your own, even your will to, to propose an alternative or to ask questions, which of course youre not allowed to do. Every morning that I was there in Mysore, I saw three other women who, who got assaulted in those three postures. And the cover-up is still going on. I have lots of friends in the Ashtanga Yoga world. And one of the things that she says this creates is this amazing I say its amazing, its awful, but its amazing to me because it articulates my own cult experience so well she describes a triple isolation in which youre isolated from the outside world. We found public records for Karen Rain. The cover-up has to stop and what has been done has to be owned. Susan Habermann (nee Filipovich) Susan "Susie" Habermann born October 7, 1949, found peace on May 7th, 2021 at the age of 71. And he recently also sponsored a petition thats on Facebook, trying to get Ashtanga certified and authorized teachers to make accountability statements. Division of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology, Santa Barbara, CA 93106 Yeah. Get started U.S. Yearbooks Name Index, 1890-1979. I refer to it here and there throughout the book because you cant really avoid it. But we dont have any evidence that physical adjustments in yoga existed prior to the 1920s. I talked to her about the process of projection, about idealizing a person, about giving up ones power, hypnotizing oneself into beliefs and finally about taking self-responsibility. The thing that listeners need to know is that theres ample video and photographic evidence documenting all of this. And thats it, right? Even just recently Sharath has accepted the title parama guru, claiming the fact that he is the only true representative of an ancient lineage and the only person to authorize teachers, etc. The bogus-parampara juggernaut is still being propelled forward. What does Karen Rain have to say? Karen Rain (pictured) says Ashtanga yoga guru Pattabhi sexually assaulted her and other women while she studied with him in Mysore, India, in the mid 1990s. 80421 Camino Santa Elise, Indio, CA 92203, lived here in 2016 $1,760: C. 80621 Avenida San Fernando, Indio, CA 92203, lived here in 2015 Theres a lot of aspirations involved there. If you feel this work is helpful in a way that you would like to support, contributions are deeply appreciated. No, no. I will address you, Karen, now directly and will get Matthew to forward you my response. And its something that Yoga Alliance may adopt in part, not because I wrote it or anything, but because its in the air now theyre doing a renovation of their standards after 19 years. It suggests that at the heart of this, you know, venerable, lauded, beloved, you know, spiritual/wellness practice, theres this really dark problem that, that hasnt been looked at and hasnt, and hasnt been addressed. Karen Faber Haberman Counselor at San Diego Unified School District San Diego County, California, United States 11 connections Im sure. Hopemissema. In my lack of action, I made myself complicit. Prior to that, I was a Hausdorff Postdoc at the Hausdorff Center for MathematicsLink opens in a new window at the University of Bonn and a member of Prof Karl-Theodor SturmLink opens in a new windows group on Stochastic and Geometric Analysis at the Institute for Applied MathematicsLink opens in a new window. I have known Karen as Karen Haberman and have practised close to her for around 10 or 11 months through 1996 and 1997 in KP Jois little Lakshmipuram studio. I just think people should be open to correcting it. The network of complicity. I remember to this day her clarity and steely determination in her eyes when she looked straight at me and said with a smile, Forget about it. I hope that slowly gets in. I am a Harrison Early Career Assistant Professor in the Department of Statistics at the University of Warwick. And of course, hes not describing that in terms of abuse, but rather as a badge of honor. And thats a felt, phenomenological experience. Where was your newspaper report? You know, I know you hold that intention in the book of, of offering some sort of roadmap forward with better practices. So talk about that: the sexual objectification, with Jois. She enjoys dancing, going for walks in the woods with her three cats and playing games with friends. I would acknowledge it. You know, theyre attached to money. And this is Meaning of Life TV. Its a system. Theres a guy named Guy Donahaye, who actually was the co editor with Eddie Stern of a very popular book in 2012 called Guruji which I describe in my book, and I criticize very closely and heavily as being a hagiography of Jois that was published with the cultural knowledge of what was being left out. I have not explored that link but after all that has happened I think we need to make modern Ashtanga Yoga a guru free zone. Heres another example. So, Guy is the co-editor, Eddie Stern is the other editor, but Guy has gone on kind of like this solo truth and reconciliation tear on his blog. That response, which is very common and I would say, you know, its so common, it shouldnt be shameful. So people are capable of all kinds of BS when it comes to the interpretability of the magical person. Thats what deception is. Karen's Current Address 11 Cullen Hill Rd . He was given kind of free reign to pontificate about every aspect of a persons life, you know, so its not just that he was teaching people asana, but he was also telling them to stop taking their medication or he was telling them that their back didnt need surgery or, you know, he was giving them spiritual advice perhaps or, or what have you. Thank you for helping to free yoga from the clutches of patriarchy and misogyny. 8 Critical Problems in Modern Yoga, and How to Work with Them, Hes probably BKS Iyengars most famous, most prominent, most senior student, and the one who most embodies his own teaching persona, Michael Roach of the Asian Classics Institute, solo truth and reconciliation tear on his blog, The Embodiment Conference and Beyond: A Trauma-Aware Call to Healing [Guest Post], Trump Eating Poison is a Sacrament of Charismatic Escalation, During COVID-19, Charles Eisenstein Invites You to Think Deeply About His Awesome Writing. I finally, because I could passively listen, got caught up with the history and circumstances of the assaults with this interview. Karen is deeply missed by all who loved her. Now here I am talking about providing a safe space where you can heal but I have to actually thank you for providing a safe space to me where I can come out. Until that has been done and apologies have been made a call to boycott the Jois shalas in Mysore is only fair. I guess the other thing that Jois would do is that he would just steal money from students. Karen Haberman 1958 Karen Haberman, born Circa 1958. Just briefly take me through the math on that. Theyre supposed to be concentrating on their own stuff. I could have been one of the women who simply smiled at you, shook their heads and walked on when you approached them about the sexual abuse. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And when that came up, people would say, Oh, hes helping people with their money issues. And, we can throw him out but keep, keep this very valuable and integral practice intact. Karen lived in 1974, at address, Wisconsin. How much of that have men done to women through the ages. Hopemissema. She is survived by her four children Amy (Richard) Stathus, James (Jessica) Habermann, Heather (Nolan) Long, and Ashley (Brendan) Thibault along with her thirteen grandchildren Jennifer, Devin, Derek, Amber, Erica, Collette, Alexander, Henry, Cali, Deacon, Hadley . Theres going to be a lot of calculations in there. Marion Haberman is a writer and content creator for her YouTube/MyJewishMommyLife channel and Instagram @MyJewishMommyLife page where she shares her experience living a meaning-FULL Jewish family . And the Ashtanga/Jois form has spawned into numerous side forms, right? He has recently had allegations, numerous allegations of sexual assault verified against him by an independent investigation that was commissioned by the Iyengar Yoga Association of the United State, or IYNAUS. And it was probably widely known within the upper echelons of the Ashtanga world, even into, even as early as 2012 but of course, we now know it was far earlier than that. I dont say that he was the source of the explanations, but I also, I dont think Im explicit enough in saying that its pretty likely that he wasnt. View Cell Phone Number View Background Report. Your email address will not be published. I think she is a scatterbrain. Please dont feel bad thinking that you could have or should have done something differently. This is a great apple. I am deeply sorry. Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? Lets take our power back and stop projecting it on people who are as flawed as we all are. 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