I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. He was like, `Eh, mm.' I only live a block away.' David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. 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I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. Why don't you just take him?'. I would really like for you and Kate. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. show takes four couples who are having trouble. She would never go away. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. he was fussy at all. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. They're like, `What do you mean?' a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . And I saw that night her malignancy. It would take two weeks. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. He was such a good baby. First she killed Andrew Bagby. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Did anyone have more friends than he? This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. Try again. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' This book was very well written, and straight to the point. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? I didn't have. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' Was it true? When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. How could they dither for months and months. Something went wrong, please try again later. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. a month after 30 days. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. However, the intended audience of the film. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. That one comes back a lot. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. It is absolutely heartbreaking. And I said, `Who?' Understood? But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Not always.. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. IMDbPro Starmeter. Very powerful story, artfully told. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. the water. She was deranged. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Please try again. Serious crime is rare in this country. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? We. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. I can understand that. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. It's great. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. For more information, please see our (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Was she lying? Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. Did anybody want to take them? David says. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? She, floored by grief. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. Someone found a car that didn't belong. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Such memories are happy and hard. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Cancel online anytime. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. us around. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. He was jolly.. They have a network of supporters. Keith Morrison reports. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. "It was like being at war," adds David. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' quiet. Cpl. 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